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23-03-08, 20:20

hmm
James Napier menulis artikel review memory secara apik di sini
review James bagus, detil dan enak dibaca









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10-04-08, 10:31

Nambah info ah


GMH satu dengan yang lainnya itu ternyata enggak sama. Tergantung binning nya juga. kebetulan saya punya 2 RAm dengan karakter IC Micron D9 GMH. Satunya Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6400 (DDR800). Satunya Crucial Ballistix 8500 (DDR1066). Karakternya memang beda. Klo jalan 1000 4-4-4-12 lolos dual PI, si Tracer 800 minta setrum 2.275V. Tapi si Ballistix 1066 minta setrum 2.15V udah lolos dual PI.

Disitu dari rated yang dikasih Crucial emang terlihat klo binning mereka beda.

Cuman ada keunikan di Tracer 800, yang mau jalan di 1100 5-5-4-8 hanya 2.05V lolos single PI 32M, tRFC 32. Klo setting itu saya praktekan pada Ballistix 8500 (yang tadi lebih enteng saat head to head 1000 4-4-4-12), maka 1100 5-5-4-8 2.05V GAK bisa. Boro2 post screen, lha wong langsung bunyi beep beep beep beep, which is RAMs error
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Ballistix 8500 saya gak bisa run sekian dengan 2.05V
*2.04V detected by Windows

Mohon dikoreksi dan ditambahkan klo ada yang kurang
Jadi emang semua itu tetep bergantung binning GMH itu sendiri. D9 dari Micron B6-x itu punya 3 family:
1. D9 GXK untuk binning 800 CL5
2. D9 GMH untuk binning 667 CL5, dan
3. D9 GCT untuk binning 533 CL5

Yang dilakukan vendor atau perusahaan RAM (misal: Team, A-Data, Patriot, etc) adalah:
1. Beli IC (misal keluarga D9 tersebut di atas)
2. Solder IC ke PCB
3. SPD Programming (paling sesuai DDR2 dari JEDEC)
4. Memory module testing --> nah ini bagian penting, klo GMH bisa 1066 CL5 (dari 667 CL5) kenapa tidak dijual dengan PC8500 saja
5. Functional test (macem2)
6. Heatsink, labeling, packing, dijual
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Sumber: Guide to RAM - Guru3D.com Forums
NICE article!
Setelah semua tersebut, kita kembali ke real world
klo ada user beli RAM brand ini, itu, dan sebagainya.... dengan rated/labeled PC8000 C4 2.3V misal, maka begitu dicoba tapi enggak mau jalan stabil DDR1000 4-4-4-12 di 2.3V itu harusnya bisa di RMA
tapi klo udah bisa lari sesuai rated, ya berarti no problem
klo beli PC64000 CL4 dan gak bisa jalan 1000 4-4-4-12, itu emang gak bisa komplain lah ... wong stickernya kan emang DDR800 (misal)
tapi klo beli PC6400 CL4 bisa jalan 1200 5-5-5-15, maka sayangilah RAM anda


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10-04-08, 11:10

harusnya kalo udah di rate + ditempel pake stiker.

harus bisa tuh ram lari sepeeti yang tertera di stikernya itu










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harusnya kalo udah di rate + ditempel pake stiker.

harus bisa tuh ram lari sepeeti yang tertera di stikernya itu
biasanya yang bermasalah itu rate PC9600 CL5
karena, memang yang bisa run 1200 5-5-5-15 dengan voltage aman buat harian, around 2.2V - 2.3V itu kaya'e cuma keluarga D9, GMH dan GKX

nah masalahnya, IC GMH dan GKX itu makin langka
dan klo dapet, vendor pun harus melakukan binning lagi untuk tested di 1200
makanya vendor banyak yang kelabakan
selain IC D9 menipis, mereka juga gak mau turun grade kan ya? lha wong kemaren ada rated PC9600, sekarang mana .. ya begitulah, predikat tercepat akan mengharumkan brand/perusahaan itu sendiri

siasat lain? banyak yang coba make Promos, atau GMH yang harusnya gak passed di binninbg 1200
hasilnya, seperti Kingston KHX sekarang yang rated PC9600, kudu bisa mawas diri karena KHX 9600 "made in China" (hanya contoh) kebanyakan pada gak bisa run 1200, sesuai rated

nah .. hal itu juga mungkin terjadi di brand2 lain
RMA adalah hak kita lah, u beli RAM dengan rate PC8000 C4 tapi klo gak bisa jalan 1000 4-4-4-12, ya kudu RMA

FYI lagi untuk temen2 GX, RAM dengan rated PC8000, PC8500, PC9200, PC9600 itu klo default detek di BIOS (auto cmos) akan jalan 800 5-x-x-x 1.8V sesuai standar JEDEC
jadi klo tidak anda OC, PC8500, PC9600 etc yang mahal itu tetep aja cuma lari DDR800
ya memang karena max DDR2 versi JEDEC itu 800 CL5
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10-04-08, 11:47

pertanyaan berikut, kalo mainboard kita tuh udah support EPP tetapi hanya mampu sampe DDR2 800MHZ maximalnya. lalu ram tersebut gimana? si PC8500?

apa akan dipaksa run di PC8500 yang mobonya cuman support PC6400? atau gagal booting ?>










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pertanyaan berikut, kalo mainboard kita tuh udah support EPP tetapi hanya mampu sampe DDR2 800MHZ maximalnya. lalu ram tersebut gimana? si PC8500?

apa akan dipaksa run di PC8500 yang mobonya cuman support PC6400? atau gagal booting ?>
ok, seperti kita ketahui sebelumnya
maka sebagai contoh, kita coba make info tabel SPD dari seri PC8500 berikut ini (just for example)
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klo semua itu auto detek dari BIOS, auto CMOS
maka RAM yang tadi anda beli dengan rated PC8500 CL5 akan kedetek:
DDR667 atau hanya DDR800 saja, sesuai JEDEC
gak bakal dia detek 1066 kecuali motherboard anda support EPP profile (which is board dengan chipset Nvidia nForce)

nah, seperti pertanyaan bro Verry, klo mobo nForce, tapi cuma MAX DDR800, maka
ya dia switch ke profile EPP #1 otomatis gitu
ya jadi DDR800 4-4-4-12 saja voltage naek ke 2.2V (karena emang di rate sekian sekian oleh pihak vendor untuk jalan make EPP Profile)
klo mobo bro support 1066, ya dia switch ke EPP Profile #2

klo mau skip EPP, ya di OC sendiri
soale itu RAM PC8500 (contoh) dari Crucial yang sudah pernah saya tes, 1.85V dapet 860 4-4-4-12 kok, dan 2.0V udah dapet 1066 5-5-5-15
pihak mereka mungkin kasih rated voltage 2.2V hanyalah sekedar cari aman aja, safety dan compatibility bro
siapa tau di mobo P35 bisa 2.0V untuk jalan sesuai rate, tapi siapa tahu juga di 965P minta 2.1V, dan mungkin juga di 945 minta 2.2V ...









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10-04-08, 12:00

oh gitu toh, maklum mobo wa barang tua sih










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