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07-07-08, 17:14
^ So berhubung si ATI sudah memborong semua sedan 200 km/jam dan Nvidia ndak kebagian toh so mereka pilih jalan tol nya dilebarin. Nvidia mungkin dari awal sudah berpikir kalo GDDR-5 kurang ekonomis nantinya (krn stock langka) shg mereka memutuskan utk membuat board yg lebih canggih + muahaal tentunya dgn harapan bisa pake sedan yg murah harganya dibandingkan sedan 200 km/jam toh . . . dan sejak series 8 Nvidia kan ngotot bikin bit sampe 384 segala . . . pasti ini ada hubungannya kenapa skrg mereka ngak pilih the ATI Way . . . yg jelas dgn mereka memilih cara dgn membuat board yg mahal mereka shg tidak bergantung pada produsen macam Qimonda . . . yah mungkin sekedar perhitungan bisnis yg penuh beresiko.

Tapi gue salut bagaimana ATI menaruh harga 4870 tidak semahal 280 GTX walopun memory yg ATI pakai mahal dan mungkin nantinya akan menjadi cukup langka . . .

Kenapa yaah chip vga speednya susah naek2 teruss . . . apa begitu sulitnya yaa mengembangkan clock proc vga sampe angka Ghz ?? Panasnya suhu core vga yah yg emang ngak ketulungan . . . ??
   
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07-07-08, 17:17
GDDR5 masih mahal ya ?
harusnya justru makin murah ya ?
   
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07-07-08, 17:22
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gak ada mas
cuma memory interface aja kok
gak ada processornya

saya ibaratkan interface bit itu "jalur"

model NV
misal jalan tol ya ... makin lebar bit, makin lebar jalan tol
nah ... kecepatan transfer itu make speed RAM, dalam hal ini DDR
misal bro pengen ngangkut 1000 galon Aqua dari A ke B
lewat jalan tol yang lebarnya 50 meter
make 100 buah sedan, yang masing2 sedan cuma bisa muat 10 galon
apabila sedan (DDR3) adalah mempunyai kecepatan max 100KM/jam
maka berapa lama waktu yang dibutuhkan untuk mentransfer 1000 galon tersebut?
dimisalkan jarak A ke B adalah 100KiloMeter

penyelesaian
50 meter, muat 50 sedan sekali jalan (masing sedan lebarnya 1meter)
500 galon untuk 50 sedan kan?
lalu sedan melaju 100KM/jam
maka penghantaran galon itu selesai dalam waktu 1 JAM untuk paket pertama
lalu dilanjutkan paket ke 2, 500 galon lagi dibawa 50 sedan
selesai, 2 JAM

KENDALA
- di jalan tol lebar 50m, biaya pembangunan lebih mahal, dibutuhkan struktur pondasi jalan yang bagus pula, dan membutuhkan waktu lama, boros tenaga kerja waktu pengerjaan
- sedan berkecepatan 100KM/jam murah harganya








model ATI
tetep masih make jalan tol, lebar jalan tol kita ibaratkan bit
jalan tol lebar 25meter
1000 galon
100 sedan
tapi karena make prinsip bit lebih rendah, ddr lebih tinggi (DDR5), sedan2 ini melaju hingga 200KM/jam
A ke B adalah 100KM

penyelesaian
25 meter, muat 25 sedan doang
ada 4 kali "paket" (secara 4x25 = 100 sedan)
250 galon (1 sedan max 10 galon)
sedan melaju 200KM/jam untuk jarak 100M, diseleseaikan dalam waktu 30menit
30 menit x 4 adalah = 2 JAM
so ... sama kan


KENDALA
- di jalan tol lebar 25m, biaya pembangunan lebih murah, dibutuhkan struktur pondasi jalan yang tidak terlalu rumit
siapa tahu klo 25m cuma nebang 8 pohon, tapi 50m mungkin nebang 12 pohon, dan bila perlu membikin parit untuk saluran air
- sedan berkecepatan 200KM/jam agak mahal harganya
Buset dah,...

apppaan neh. ... :bawanglol:

neranginnya kek ke anak SD. ....

bener2 laksana guru tanpa tanda jasa neh bro becco. ...

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07-07-08, 17:25
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^ So berhubung si ATI sudah memborong semua sedan 200 km/jam dan Nvidia ndak kebagian toh so mereka pilih jalan tol nya dilebarin. Nvidia mungkin dari awal sudah berpikir kalo GDDR-5 kurang ekonomis nantinya (krn stock langka) shg mereka memutuskan utk membuat board yg lebih canggih + muahaal tentunya dgn harapan bisa pake sedan yg murah harganya dibandingkan sedan 200 km/jam toh . . . dan sejak series 8 Nvidia kan ngotot bikin bit sampe 384 segala . . . pasti ini ada hubungannya kenapa skrg mereka ngak pilih the ATI Way . . . yg jelas dgn mereka memilih cara dgn membuat board yg mahal mereka shg tidak bergantung pada produsen macam Qimonda . . . yah mungkin sekedar perhitungan bisnis yg penuh beresiko.
enggak kok
NV sekarang "NGANTRI" ke Qimonda tuh
NVIDIA GDDR5 Cards to Arrive in 2009 - According to memory manufacturers - Softpedia
NV rencana lah make DDR5
awal tahun kecelek aja, diborong ama ATI


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Tapi gue salut bagaimana ATI menaruh harga 4870 tidak semahal 280 GTX walopun memory yg ATI pakai mahal dan mungkin nantinya akan menjadi cukup langka . . .
GDDR5 akan produksi masal per tengah tahun ini
yang awal tahun kan cuma limited
that's why HD4870 itu LANGKA di Indo
yang masuk kemaren cuma HIS, wa buka "kartu" itupun cuma 10 biji
sample dari Gecube yang harusnya saya review-pun, udah ludes dari sononya
HD4870 akan mulai naik lagi stock-nya per bulan depan


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tahu gak, TSMC, Taiwan Semi Conductor
yang bikin core VGA

yang bikin lambat itu bukan ATI dan Nvidia_nya
mereka berdua saya akui JAGO
tapi yang lambat itu proses fabrikasinya di TSMC
antri mas








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07-07-08, 17:26
^ kan katanya Becco udah habis doborong ATI . . . kalau ndak ada stock kan harganya bisa mahal toh . . . ??
   
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07-07-08, 17:34
they, Qimonda start to produce again lah

emang GDDR5 awal2 kemaren emang untuk ATI, soale ATI yang request
untuk beberapa HD4870, yang emang limited stock-nya waktu launch kemaren

sekarang tentu dah lain soal lah
demand banyak banget ... out of stock semua
HD 4870 selling well like hot cakes
partner2 ATI tentu pengen mulai bisnis lagi lah, HiS, Powercolor, Sapphire, Asus, etc
stock DDR5 dah mulai banyak lagi kok


NV toh juga akhirnya melirik GDDR5, setelah tahun lalu dia nyuekin GDDR4
tapi klo mereka mau make GDDR5, tentu merubah design board bro
enggak langsung gitu aja bisa dipasangin DDR5
kaya' motherboard saya ini, yang DDR2, enggak bisa dong asal dipakein RAM DDR3
ato kembali ke jalan tol tadi, tentu beda lah campuran aspal dan karakter tikungan untuk jalan yang didesain buat sedan berkecepatan 100KM/jam, dan sedan yang berkecepatan 200KM/jam








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07-07-08, 17:38
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NV toh juga akhirnya melirik GDDR5, setelah tahun lalu dia nyuekin GDDR4
yup thats true bro becco...with dx10.1 juga, ngikutin ATI


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07-07-08, 19:56
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^ kan katanya Becco udah habis doborong ATI . . . kalau ndak ada stock kan harganya bisa mahal toh . . . ??
stock mah ada bro... tapi yang memproduksi untuk di implementasikan ke VGA masih ngos-ngosan karena gak menyangka boming seperti sekarang .... lawong ATI aja mengeluarkan VGA HD 4850 lebih cepat 1 minggu dari jadwal....

untung aja ATI sekarang dah melempar produksi Chipnya ke TSMC ....
   
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